tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post6052610518159127149..comments2023-04-04T08:07:42.350-04:00Comments on SBC Plodder: Luter to check Cooperative Program giving for potential appointeesWilliam Thorntonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12502242710436994507noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-59121626701951396282012-09-18T19:06:25.666-04:002012-09-18T19:06:25.666-04:00I applaud Luter for having sufficient bravado (nai...I applaud Luter for having sufficient bravado (naivete?) to make such a suggestion. There are far too many mega brethren who are incentivized by the current "no floor" standard of CP giving. These are same folks who will stand behind Luter as he makes his argument, smiling the warm, thoughtful, Southern smile and nodding their heads as if in agreement while knowing that they are Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-71551147056329281032012-09-17T20:52:24.181-04:002012-09-17T20:52:24.181-04:00There is no way that the mega churches which domin...There is no way that the mega churches which dominate SBC denominational politics today will ever allow a "floor" percentage for CP giving as a qualification for having church members nominated to serve, at least, not officially. The SBC will have to keep electing Presidents like Fred Luter, who will investigate and make his own nominations based on a giving standard in order for that Leehttp://deepintheheart.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-48991977015173882452012-09-14T18:43:14.222-04:002012-09-14T18:43:14.222-04:00John:
Thanks for the kind and reasoned response. ...John:<br /><br />Thanks for the kind and reasoned response. <br /><br />You said:"Can you imagine if we treated our foreign missionaries with the kind of respect we do the big wig Mega church pastors?"<br /><br />It is a shame that they do not get the respect they deserve.Tom Parkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12861689101266081092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-56739595701873640142012-09-14T17:26:05.694-04:002012-09-14T17:26:05.694-04:00Tom,
Sorry it's taken me all day, I just got ...Tom,<br /><br />Sorry it's taken me all day, I just got home a little bit ago. I think you ask a very good question and my answer is simply this, the messengers have every right to nominate and elect anyone they choose. <br /><br />Now do I personally think that a man being nominated for president or vice president who pastors a church that gives less than 1% to the CP is an asinine John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-84125747785604007632012-09-14T11:29:44.738-04:002012-09-14T11:29:44.738-04:00John Wylie:
May I ask you why it is acceptable to...John Wylie:<br /><br />May I ask you why it is acceptable to elect Southern Baptist presidents when the churches they pastor give little or nothing to the CP?<br /><br />If something does not happen in a positive way in the SBC with the CP program a financial disaster is going to occur.<br /><br />Whose fault will it be when missionaries for the United States and other countries are told there isAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169869536135058690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-80916966984703014642012-09-14T11:09:13.173-04:002012-09-14T11:09:13.173-04:00"maybe we need to change a few things"
..."maybe we need to change a few things"<br /><br />Well, yeah, of course. The question is, "can we?"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-74449783711522209362012-09-14T11:05:37.260-04:002012-09-14T11:05:37.260-04:00"Second, the CR saved the convention"
Y..."Second, the CR saved the convention"<br /><br />Yes, that is essentially what Stanley said was being done. And what he said has yet to materialize.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-74795495263968635402012-09-14T11:01:49.318-04:002012-09-14T11:01:49.318-04:00Anon 10:38,
Well I think you're wrong. First,...Anon 10:38,<br /><br />Well I think you're wrong. First, I think Dr. Luter will succeed. Second, the CR saved the convention, and maybe we need to change a few things, every denomination could stand to do that. John Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-4291983356515676902012-09-14T10:38:31.419-04:002012-09-14T10:38:31.419-04:00“conservative resurgence was more important than h...“conservative resurgence was more important than high CP giving”<br /><br />And thus the new SBC was founded on an assumption that is deeply embedded in its culture and in time and to give credence to increasingly non-cooperative behavior, the SBC sanctioned Great Commission Giving, and as we have seen it is insufficient for sustaining the programs and goals of the institution. The conservative Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-15552827287179330242012-09-14T10:33:03.276-04:002012-09-14T10:33:03.276-04:00John, there can never be a "requirement"...John, there can never be a "requirement" but there can be an informal threshold instituted by voting messengers. so far, the only low % nominee ever rejected was Ronnie Floyd who was under 1% when nominated.<br /><br />I have written that the SBC seems to have an insatiable appetite for mega church pastors for SBC president, regardless of their low %.<br /><br />If we want the CP to William Thorntonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12502242710436994507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-65476059728167847422012-09-14T10:19:37.002-04:002012-09-14T10:19:37.002-04:00I think that the key word is "elected". ...I think that the key word is "elected". Certainly any president has the prerogative of a litmus test percentage for any potential appointee that they might put into place. And certainly any candidate that is nominated for office in the SBC should be transparent about their CP giving. However, ultimately the voters of the SBC are capable of making the decision for themselves without suchJohn Wyliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16095740536301292747noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-47255670478603798032012-09-14T10:02:15.088-04:002012-09-14T10:02:15.088-04:00Tom, we got there because it was felt that the con...Tom, we got there because it was felt that the conservative resurgence was more important than high CP giving; hence, the election of almost any and every megachurch pastor, starting with Adrian Rogers, whose CP percentages were down in the single digits.<br /><br />That was then. This is now. There must be some threshold level of CP giving. I suggest 5% but would be open to being persuaded that Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00318761483549322086noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-21988751764581308002012-09-14T09:35:59.835-04:002012-09-14T09:35:59.835-04:00SBCers have finally realized that it is time to pa...SBCers have finally realized that it is time to pay the piper for their 'any means necessary' strategy. Turns out that 'dollars not percentages' does not reflect wisdom or a sustainable practice for ensuring institutional effectiveness, even if it does allow for more self-serving behavior. I hope Luter gets the 1% increase; the world will benefit if he does. If he does not get theAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2294170801673753291.post-16459659022589584472012-09-14T08:11:24.165-04:002012-09-14T08:11:24.165-04:00William:
How did we ever get to the point that SB...William:<br /><br />How did we ever get to the point that SBC leaders and especially SB Presidents could be elected to any positions when their churches gave almost nothing to the CP program?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02169869536135058690noreply@blogger.com